After a three-year hiatus, Frank Downs and Dustin Brewer are back—older, wiser, and still talking into microphones they probably shouldn’t be trusted with. In this launch of their new podcast: Legitimate Cybersecurity, the two 20-year cyber veterans tackle one of the industry’s most persistent problems: why patching is still broken in 2025.

They explore:

The cultural and business reasons patching never gets prioritized

How vulnerability management became the garbage collection of cyber

Why budget, not breaches, still drives security decision-making

The role of AI as both insider and outsider threat

And yes—why your dishwasher needs Wi-Fi now

Part technical, part philosophical, and all-too-real, this episode lays the groundwork for future conversations on what actually works in cybersecurity—and why so much of it still doesn’t.

🎧 Whether you’re a veteran CISO, a SOC analyst, or just wondering what CVSS stands for (don’t worry, we forgot too), this one’s for you.