To be an ordained priest takes a great deal of time, work and dedication. But what about the non-ordained? Surely you can just rock up, say you love Jesus, say you can talk with people and bake cakes? Well, no. It takes a huge effort to become a lay reader (don't worry, Dale explains what one is) and a lot of soul searching and contemplation. I hope you enjoy listening to Dale talking about his journey to finally collecting his licence at Southwark Cathedral.