Personal trainer and bodybuilder Dez Gibbs and I talk exercise, fitness, body shaming, and body confidence. I rant about cultural beauty standards and make it clear she could absolutely take me in a fight.

Opening song by Sarah J. Storer; graphic design by Kristin J. Steele; production and technical assistance by Kelley Altizer. "Confident" by Demi Lovato (fair use) closes out the show.

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