Stand-up favorite Dan Naturman joins Nancy to talk about his creative journey, stand-up comedy experiences during law school, New York’s Comedy Cellar, the HBO series Crashing, and the story behind his comedy-inspired debut novel Ira Spiro: Before Covid. Plus, Dan and Nancy discuss writing shifts, creative and career risk-taking, and finding stand-up success (1:08).

In the second segment, Nancy shares writing and editing tips for authors and wannabe authors from independent book editor and Editorchick.com founder Nancy LaFever (28:29).

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