The Soul Surmise Podcast Autumn 23 series carries on with part 2 of the Dana Masters' interview at this year's 4 Corners Festival. Those who filled Fitzroy that night will remember an amazing evening of conversation about music and faith and social justice. For me it was a riveting conversation with someone who was gifted artistically but also insightful and articulate. 

Here in Part 2 (of 4) we look at how singing is pastoral or "almost like intercession"... singing with Kanye...singing with Van Morrison