In this episode, we chop it up with Kiki Jordan, a renowned midwife based in California. Kiki lends her expertise to our discussion on the radical aspects of home birthing, set against the formidable backdrop of the medical-industrial complex. We explore how Black Autonomous Birthing Communities (BABCs) provide valuable insights for rethinking our transition from schooling to holistic education. Kiki shares wisdom from her birthing experiences and her attempts to launch a community-grounded Wellness Center, guiding us in reimagining the concept of school abolition and its potential for transformative educational practices.

University of Illinois at Chicago Professor David Stovall, Ph.D., offers our final thoughts.

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Hosts: Tiffani Marie & Kenjus Watson

Music By: Redtone Records 

Production by: Jesse Strauss, Paxtone Records 

Sponsored By: The Institute for Regenerative Futures