Daniel Garner returns for another wonderful conversation. Daniel explains in more depth terms like "givens" and "releases". From there we touch on Lacan's Ego Ideal and the Ideal Ego and how the loss of faith in the substantiality of an Ego Ideal may lead to the experience of a release. This then brings us to thinking of C.S. Lewis and his conception of Glory as fame/acknowledgement/recognition with God and how love actually does involve desiring the desire and praise of an other. After a release has occurred the question becomes who or what will occupy the position of the Ego Ideal... ?  

We also talk a good deal about leisure and how it differs from toil, laziness, and sloth. Daniel brings out an important distinction between toil and work and how as a parent he loves finding that his kids are at times lost in their play and work. 

We finish the conversation with some great thoughts on the skills of community building. How consistency is key and how a home is place where the door is always open.