Dapo Adeola and Dan Berry chat about the difference between character design and illustration, the joy of linework and being kind to yourself.

We talk about Dapo's journey into publishing, and his experience of arts education in the UK's university system. If are a student studying art or design in the UK and any of the things that Dapo talks about is affecting or has affected you or someone you know, feel free to get in touch with Dan for advice.

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