Dario from Amp and I sit together to explore what comes after the "coding agent" era — verifiability as the new bottleneck, rethinking the testing pyramid, persistent dev environments in the cloud, stateful actors, single-tenant deployments, and the future of product interfaces in a world of agents.If you are building serious production-grade software with agents and trying to make sense of where engineering is heading, this is the podcast you might want to listen to.Chapters:00:00 Introduction03:39 "The Coding Agent is Dead": AMP's Vision09:45 Instant Inference & Verifiability as the New Bottleneck16:22 Rethinking the Testing Pyramid for Agents25:02 TDD Renaissance & Parse, Don't Validate Principle35:43 What Agents Need: Sandboxes & Permissions41:50 Dev Laptops in the Cloud: Tailscale, Fly Sprites, Exe.dev46:54 Stateful Actors, Durable Objects & Erlang's Legacy53:36 Monorepo vs Microservices & Single-Tenant Deployments1:05:55 Build vs Buy: Copying Software & Interface Design1:16:41 Bun vs Nodejs, Personal AI Agents & The Future of Interfaces1:32:04 CLI vs MCP, Engineering Skills & the End of Coding as a BottleneckAs always, thanks for listening to MapForEngineers! Sincerely your host, Vitalii Lakusta

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