What actually makes the All Blacks successful? It is not just what happens on the field.

Martin Devlin sits down with former All Blacks manager Darren Shand for a rare, deep dive into what really drives performance at the highest level. From leadership and culture to the importance of the “team behind the team,” Shand breaks down the ecosystem that powered one of the most dominant eras in rugby history.

We also get into pressure, legacy, player ownership, and what it takes to build an environment where players thrive. It is honest, insightful and packed with lessons that go well beyond rugby.

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