Kush, Jack and I talk candidly but optimistically about responsible progress. This includes the steroids effect that technology has on the best and worst aspects of humans and institutions. It also includes the realization that a stable society requires liberal creators and visionaries and conservative implementers and defenders. We get into personality, intelligence, psychology, tailored news, radicalization, surveillance and interpreting data. We also talk about tech companies, gene editing and an updated liberalism for the 21st century. As we map and chart a course through these confusing times we also go on tangents about chum buckets, Planet Fitness, multitasking and Lars von Trier films. *Shrug* It happens (when you make it up as you go).