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The shift to agentic AI demands far more than just a powerful GPU. To meet the needs of AI agents, NVIDIA rethought traditional processor design with the Vera CPU. By focusing on powerful custom Olympus cores rather than maximizing core counts, NVIDIA says Vera can deliver twice the performance of a traditional x86 architecture.

NVIDIA's strategy is outlined by Dion Harris, the Senior Director of HPC and AI Hyperscale Infrastructure Solutions for NVIDIA. In our discussion, Harris speaks with Data Center Richness editor Rich Miller to trace the rapid evolution of AI, and what each shift has meant for the hardware, power, and cooling inside AI factories.

A key theme is how NVIDIA's rapid rollout of powerful new hardware is driving big changes in the data center, especially the transitions to high-density racks, liquid cooling and 800-volt DC power distribution.

Dion also shares why NVIDIA is entering the market for Land, Power and Shell for Data Center Campuses.

Here's an overview of our conversation:

00:00 Welcome and the evolution of AI: from training to reasoning to agentic AI 04:26 Vera: NVIDIA's CPU built for AI agents 07:35 Hardware cadence, CUDA compatibility, and why older GPUs keep their value 11:21 Getting data centers ready: DSX and data center-scale power management 15:49 DSX Flex: tapping stranded grid power through flexibility 20:27 Why mixture of experts made liquid cooling essential, from Blackwell to Vera Rubin 25:54 Does the rack remain the rack? Scale-up domains and the shift to the pod 29:10 Scale-up, scale-out, and scale-across: networking AI across data centers 31:55 The transition to 800 VDC power 35:15 Closing thoughts

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NVIDIA Data Center Solutions https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/

NVIDIA Developer Blog: Vera CPU https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-vera-cpu-boosts-ai-factory-throughput-to-accelerate-agentic-workloads/

Dion Harris on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/dionharris/

Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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Loudoun County in Northern Virginia has long been the center of gravity for the data center industry. It is the home of Data Center Alley, a section of Ashburn where all the major networks meet, making it the world's primary destination for Internet traffic.

As a result, Loudoun County has been on the front lines of just about every major trend in the data center sector. That includes the data center boom, and more recently the controversies involving data centers and community pushback. There have been plenty of headlines about resistance to the data center industry, most notably the Loudoun supervisors calling for a pause in development as they refine local regulations.

But Loudoun County's history tells a larger story about data centers and communities. And no one knows this better than Buddy Rizer, the executive director of economic development for Loudoun County. In our discussion, I asked Buddy to talk about what data centers have meant to the Loudoun County, including some interest metrics on economic impact, and water usage by data centers (a hot topic these days).

00:00 - On the Front Lines of the Internet Boom 01:30 - How Data Center Alley Came About 05:16 - The Conversation Beyond Loudoun 07:27 - The Data Center Industry Response 09:00 - Data Centers and Water: The Loudoun Experience

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Buddy Rizer on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/buddyrizer/

Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

The Godfather of Data Centers - WSJ https://www.wsj.com/finance/the-godfather-of-data-centers-making-offers-big-tech-cant-refuse-6c52d301

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Liquid cooling has become one of the most important technologies in the rise of AI. Powerful new AI server hardware throws off a lot of heat, pushing past the limits of most traditional air cooling. This has driven a surge of acquisitions in the cooling sector, and none bigger than Ecolab's $4.75 billion deal to acquire liquid cooling specialist CoolIT Systems.

In this episode of Data Center Richness, host Rich Miller sits down with Jason Walker, Director of Product Marketing for Data Centers at Ecolab, to break down the CoolIT acquisition.

Walker discusses how Ecolab is pairing decades of industrial fluid management with CoolIT's cold plates, CDUs, and manifolds to solve critical operational bottlenecks. Learn why fluid health and monitoring matter during commissioning, how joint R&D at CoolIT's 6MW Calgary facility aims to extend single-phase cooling limits for extreme densities, and how integrated hardware and chemistry simplify lifecycle operations for hyperscalers and multi-tenant colocation operators.

Here's an overview of the conversation:

00:00 - Introduction: The CoolIT Acquisition and AI Cooling 01:42 - Ecolab's Mission in Data Centers and Fluid Management 04:00 - Strategic Fit: Why Ecolab Acquired CoolIT 05:56 - Navigating Startup Risks and Direct-to-Chip Fluid Health 09:06 - In-Line Testing and 3D TRASAR Real-Time Monitoring 10:32 - Deploying Side-Stream Controllers and BMS Integration 12:09 - Connecting Hardware Monitoring and Fluid Data 13:40 - Integration Progress and Cultural Alignment Post-Close 16:40 - Calgary Testing Facility and Joint R&D Capabilities 19:28 - Extending Single-Phase Liquid Cooling Limits 23:01 - Customer Base: Hyperscalers vs. Colocation Operators 26:10 - Fluid Health and Multi-Tenant Hybrid Cooling Challenges 28:21 - Where to Connect with Jason Walker and Learn More

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Ecolab Data Center Solutions https://www.ecolab.com

CoolIT Systems https://www.coolitsystems.com

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Building hyperscale data centers at the speed of AI comes with a massive challenge: taking care of the thousands of tradespeople on the front lines of construction sites. As project schedules compress and job sites push into remote locations, how do industry leaders build a culture that keeps workers safe, healthy, and genuinely supported?

In this episode of Data Center Richness podcast, we sit down with Trey Dean, Senior Vice President of Global EHS at Vantage Data Centers. Trey shares how Vantage is priotiizing site welfare, tracking workforce mental health with actionable data, and using AI and robotics to remove workers from high-risk duties., like moving giant racks

Here is an overview of the conversation between Rich Miller of Data Center Richness and Trey Dean.

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01:30 - The Basics: A Safe, Clean Work Environment 07:15 - The Enormous Opportunity in Data Center Construction

08:50 - The Vantage Safety Summits

15:00 - Mental Health and Wellness on the Jobsite

23:10 - The Role of Robotics and AI in Worker Safety

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There's a big question at the heart of today's tech headlines: Is there an AI bubble? I sat down with someone who's been building data centers since 1997, and I found his answer really insightful.

That's Ron Vokoun. He's had 37 years in construction, most of it in digital infrastructure - fiber networks in the '90s, the first Qwest data centers, a stretch dedicated to prefab and modular builds, and now cooling as the Senior VIce President of Data Center Cooling at SVL Inc.

Ron has also become one of the most trusted voices curating data center news, first on LinkedIn, now with his Mission Critical Connections newsletter on Substack.

In this conversation, we get into why he thinks prefab is more important than ever due to the labor shortage in construction, how rack densities have blown past anything we saw coming, and his interesting answer on whether this AI buildout is a bubble, and what's actually keeping it in check.

Here's an overview of the discussion between Data Center Richness host Rich Miller and Ron Vokoun:

00:00 - On the front lines of construction, design, cooling and data center news curation

01:00 - Ron Vokoun's Data Center Journey

05:30 - The Evolution of Modular and PreFab Designs

07:00 - From Construction to Cooling

10:00 - The Pace of Change in the AI Era

14:00 - The Key to Good Business News Curation

17:40 - The AI Boom, and Ron's Take on "Bubble"

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SVL Data Center Cooling https://dcc.svl.com/

Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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Demand for data center space is hitting all-time records. That is creating a major boom in data center construction, including more projects and larger campuses.

How does the industry keep track of all this construction? For more than 1,000 data center projects, the answer is OpenSpace, a technology company that provides visual intelligence on construction job sites. Its platform uses 360-degree cameras, smartphones and drones to create a digital record of the project that can be updated in real time.

OpenSpace packages this "reality capture" visual data in apps that offer a remote overview of the project, giving owners, general contractors, and subcontractors a shared visual record of every corner of these massive sites, updated continuously as work progresses.

OpenSpace CEO Jeevan Kalanithi joins us for a fascinating discussion about his company's platform and the role of technology in construction.

Here's an overview of the discussion between host Rich Miller and Jeevan Kalanithi:

00:00 - How Technology is Transforming Data Center Construction

02:55 - Jeevan's Background and Entrepreneurial Journey

05:30 - How OpenSpace Models a Construction Site

09:20 - How the Data s Collected and Delivered

12:45 - Data Center Delivery and the Labor Talent Challenge

21:10 - The Human Component - Feedback from Contractors

27:40 - The Tech Required for a Global Video Enterprise

31:20 - The Road Ahead for Construction Tech

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Inside the Future of Data Center Construction

Demand for data center capacity has never been higher. But building a data center is a complex undertaking, involving global supply chains and local contractors. As the industry seeks to build super-sized data center campuses, there are reports that a growing number of projects are falling behind schedule.

So what's the state of data center construction? To find out, we speak with Doug Mouton, who for many years worked with construction teams building data centers for Microsoft and Meta. Doug and host Rich Miller discuss the complexities of building at AI scale, and the supply chain and staffing challenges faced by large campus projects.

Doug is particularly focused on worker safety on job sites. Although data center construction teams have reduced the number of safety incidents, there is more work to do, especially on mental health and wellness for a workforce facing constant pressure on delivery schedules.

Doug is also deeply connected as an advisor and board member in the sector, and shares his takes on capital, the risks of geography and silicon, how inference may guide where projects get built, and how power influences the entire market.

Here's an overview of our discussion:

00:00 - Data Center Construction in the Spotlight

02:30 - Doug Mouton's Data Center Journey

06:40 - Data Center Delivery at AI Scale

10:24 - Data Center Safety: Stats and Solutions

18:40 - The Role of Capital in Data Center Development

23:40 - Training and Inference, and How it Shapes Digital Geography

32:00 - The Role of Power in Data Center Growth

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The transformer is a key component of power delivery, but its core design dates to the 19th century. A number of startups are working to build a better transformer using software-defined power electronics that are ready for the AI era.

One of those companies is DG Matrix. It focuses on solid-state transformers, which are emerging as as a critical piece of the infrastructure for next-generation AI data center. DG Matrix CEO and cofounder Haroon Inam joins us to discuss solid-state transformers, and how a multi-port design can provide new options for savings and efficiency in the data center power chain.

Here's an overview of our conversation:

00:00 - Why Power Transformers Are Ripe for Disruption

01:05 - Haroon Inam's Journey in Power Electronics

04:15 - Types of Transformers and Their Availability

07:15 - Why Multi-Port SSTs Matter

15:00 - How Can SSTs Help Data Centers?

18:00 - The DG Matrix Offering

22:45 - SSTs and the 800 VDC Transition

25:15 - What the 800 VDC Shift May Look Like

32:30 - What Are the Challenges to SST Adoption

37:00 - Partnerships with Exowatt and InfraPartners

40:00 - The Road Ahead for DG Matrix

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Solid-State Transformers Could Reshape the Future of AI https://datacenterrichness.substack.com/p/solid-state-transformers-could-reshape

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Can electric vehicles, solar panels and smart thermostats in homes help free up more grid power for data centers? This concept that has been turning in recent months as the data center power crunch has become more challenging.

The concept known as a virtual power plant or VPP. It's a collection of small energy sources that are brought together to create a large energy asset, which can be managed to help support the power grid in moments of high usage. The owners of homes and vehicles get paid for the energy they share back to the grid.

Our guest today is Elisa Wood, an expert in distributed energy who can help us understand virtual power plants, and how they work. Elisa has been covering the energy sector for many years. She's the founder of Energy Changemakers, where she reports on the future of distributed energy.

I asked Elisa to join us because in recent months we've seen a growing push to tap unutilized energy that exists on power grids. It turned out to be a timely conversation. Literally while we were taping our podcast, Google announced a groundbreaking deal with VPP provider Voltus Energy, which marks the first time that a data center operator has worked with a VPP provider.

Their agreement is structured as a "Bring Your Own Capacity" deal, which will unlock 100 megawatts of new capacity on the PJM Interconnection, which serves 67 million customers in the Eastern half of the country. The location is notable because the PJM grid is facing capacity constraints, as well as a huge influx of data center projects.

Given the importance of the deal between Google and Voltus, Elisa rejoined me to share her take on the landmark deal and its significance. In today's episode you'll hear parts of both our conversations, which we've edited together to provide a solid understanding of virtual power plants and why they matter. ----------------------------

At Data Center Richness we demystify technology and explain why data centers matter, and what comes next for the Internet, cloud computing and AI. Host Rich Miller is a journalist and analyst who has been covering the data center sector for 25 years.

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Energy Changemakers (Elisa's Community) https://energychangemakers.com/

Elisa Wood on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/elisawood/

Google and Voltus Announce Bring Your Own Capacity Agreement https://www.voltus.co/press/voltus-google-bring-your-own-capacity-pjm

Voltus Energy https://www.voltus.co/

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What's it like to work on the front lines of data center innovation? Google has been a pioneer in the digital economy, and developed many of the innovations that define hyperscale data centers.

Today on Data Center Richness, we discuss what it's like to be building at the leading edge of a massive technology transformation. Our guest is Joe Kava, who led the Google data center team through an amazing phase of growth, both for the company and the data center industry.

Joe retired from Google in 2025, and at the Data Center World 2026 conference, he was honored with the Lifetime Achievement Award. Today, he's here to share his thoughts on his journey at Google, and what's next for the data center sector.

Here's an overview of my talk with Joe Kava:

00:00 - The Innovation That Defined Hyperscale Computing

01:30 - Joe Kava's Data Center Journey, and How it Led to Google

10:22 - The RagingWire Factor

11:20 - Google Scale - Where No Data Center Had Gone Before

21:00 - The New Economy Rises in the Footprint of the Old

22:20 - Rethinking Everything: Optimizing from Chip to Cloud

30:20 - How PUE Drove Massive Efficiency Gains

31:30 - Google's Leadership on Sustainability

32:50 - DCW and the Lifetime Achievement Award

41:00 - What's Next for the Data Center Industry?

48:30 - The Challenge Ahead - Navigating Amid Community Resistance

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How A 'Leap of Faith' Sparked Joe Kava's Data Center Career https://datacenterworld.com/article/how-a-leap-of-faith-sparked-joseph-kavas-storied-google-data-center-career/

Google Data Centers https://datacenters.google/

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Rich Miller on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/datacenterfrontier/

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