During another exciting episode of The Bull, The Bear, and My Brother’s chair, retired NHL hockey player David Backes and his wife Kelly join Nate Lucius, Gradient’s President, to discuss how their love of animals led them to establish Athletes for Animals while David played for the St. Louis Blues and how today their family’s embrace of a plant-based diet inspired them to open one Stalk and Spade franchise with another franchise on the way.

Join Nate, David, and Kelly as they chat about how David and Kelly have used their passion and personal values to make a difference in their communities and to make an exciting entry into the restaurant world.