Doc welcomes David Sanchez, vocalist/guitarist of Havok and host of the "Riffs or Die" podcast, to the show as they do a podswap episode where this conversation will be featured on both "Riffs or Die" and "The Ex-Man". They talk about Havok releasing their most recent album, V, during the pandemic, their philosophies on guitar, and debate many issues from free speech to the modern media to critical race theory, and what inspired David to start Havok in the tradition of classic thrash metal.

This episode features the songs "Opinions" by The Opinion Industry and "Ritual of the Mind" by Havok.

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