Bruce talks with Dr. David Swindell from Arizona State University. Dr. Swindell discusses the connection of public administration to applied research within the community and the incentive structure within higher education to not engage in the work. He also discusses the challenge to overcome that incentive structure, why the structure should be reformed, and how he made the choice to ignore the system and do the work he felt matters.

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