Hosts Rick Albers and Guy Lynch sit down with licensed clinician Devon Frontczak to explore how Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) and the 12-step model can be combined to support lasting recovery. Devon shares her lived experience, professional work delivering DBT skills, and practical ways those skills (distress tolerance, emotion regulation, mindfulness, interpersonal effectiveness) compliment step-based recovery.

The episode includes real-life examples, discussion of implementing DBT in treatment and peer settings, and a Clinician's Corner summary on using DBT as a shared language across services to create safety, build skills, and sustain recovery.