Marisa chats with FRANCINE'S SPECTACULAR CRASH AND BURN author Renee Swindle and therapist Ed Chen about how depression shows up as disconnection, withdrawal, and loss of momentum—and how DBT offers concrete skills for getting unstuck. From understanding deactivation and rumination to practicing mindfulness, choice, and re-engagement, they explore how pairing insight with skill can help people rebuild a sense of agency and meaning. Want more? Follow @TheCharactersToolkit on Instagram!