Fernando Matteo and former corrections commissioner Louis Molina critique the current administration's handling of the New York City jail system, specifically focusing on the escalating costs and delays associated with closing Rikers Island. They argue that replacing the island with community-based jails is a waste of taxpayer billions and fails to address the underlying issue of managing a violent detainee population that lacks behavioral incentives. The conversation highlights the breakdown of institutional discipline, noting how regulations allowing inmates out of their cells for most of the day contribute to chaos and danger for staff.

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