Is going to church not your thing?  Well, you're not alone. Tens of millions of Americans have stopped attending church.  This episode of Old & Confused explores what the hell has made going to hell less scary.  Blessedly, two men of the cloth join Mike and Jon to discuss this trend and what some churches are doing about it.  They also take on the hilarious hypocrisy of small "e" evangelicals who are staking out the lunatic fringe of the small "c" christian nationalist movement.  Whether you church or dechurch, you'll want to listen in on this heavenly discussion. Tell us what you think: ⁠[email protected]⁠.