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In this episode of On Your Lead, I sit down with Dean Karnazes to talk about endurance, discipline, and what actually carries you through hard moments.

Dean shares how he approaches pain, uncertainty, and long efforts — not by overthinking, but by quieting the mind and focusing on the next step. We talk about why suffering doesn’t need to be dramatic, how preparation creates freedom, and why some of the most important breakthroughs happen when you stop trying to control the outcome.

This conversation isn’t just about running. It’s about leadership, decision-making, and staying steady when things get hard — whether that’s on the trail, at work, or in life.

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