In this episode, cohosts Bill McMillan and Kathy Fogarty listen as Helen Greenspan, a Hospice Nurse (care for the dying) for 25 years, gives a candid reflection of her work with the dying and the precious insights she has gained as a result of this work. Helen shares what she feels is needed at the bedside of someone who is dying, intimately discusses the challenges she personally has experienced and talks about how her hospice work has changed since incorporating Ren Xue’s five essential heart qualities of trust, openness, love, gratitude and true respect. Helen wraps up the interview with a beautiful song that she often sings at the bedside of someone who has just died.