In this episode of The Debatable Podcast, hosts Saqar (Ahhah Ahershu) and Den Tut Rayay revisit one of Harlem’s most powerful stories — the legendary fallout between Jim Jones and Max B.

They explore how the two artists went from brotherhood to rivalry, the business moves that fueled their split, and what their story reveals about hip-hop’s deeper issues: loyalty, leadership, and legacy.

The hosts also connect the dots between Harlem’s golden era and the modern battle rap economy, breaking down how artists turn conflict into currency — and what today’s MCs can learn from the Harlem icons who built movements out of music.

🎙️ Featuring topics like:

• The rise and fall of ByrdGang and the “Wavy Movement”

• Could Jim Jones and Max B ever reconcile?

• The role of business, branding, and betrayal in hip-hop’s biggest beefs

• The future of structured competition in battle rap culture

Tap in for smart, street, and strategic conversation from The Debatable — powered by MC WAR, the official sport of rap battling.

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🎙️ The Debatable Podcast | Episode 70 — From Charlie Clips to Assata Shakur: Hip-Hop, History & Hidden Truths

Welcome back to The Debatable Podcast, powered by MC WAR — The Official Sport of Rap Battling.
Hosted by Saqar (Ahhah Ahershu) and Den Tut Rayay, this episode travels far beyond the battle stage — exploring the intersections of hip-hop, history, spirituality, and social truth.

From breaking down Charlie Clips vs. LL Coogee to reflecting on the life and legacy of Assata Shakur, this conversation challenges the culture to think deeper — about art, integrity, legacy, and liberation.

1. Charlie Clips vs. LL Coogee — When Schemes Become Storytelling
🔹 A one-round clash in Milwaukee that turned into a masterclass.
🔹 LL Coogee’s “clip scheme” earns props for creativity — while Clips shows why delivery still reigns supreme.
🔹 The hosts propose “topic rounds” for future MC WAR battles — to bring more meaning and message to the competition.

2. Brooklyn Legacy — The Birthplace of Bar Lords
🔹 Shoutouts to E. Nest, Petey Pablo, and Sauce Money for keeping the sound authentic.
🔹 Petey Pablo’s remix of “Jiggling Baby” and Sauce Money’s Brooklyn grit evoke the golden era.
🔹 Why Brooklyn breeds greatness: “steel sharpens steel.”

3. The Spirit of Assata Shakur — Liberation, Legacy & Prophecy
🔹 Remembering Assata Shakur (Tupac’s godmother), who escaped U.S. imprisonment to find refuge in Cuba.
🔹 Her grandmother’s dream predicting her escape mirrors a real-life Shawshank Redemption moment.
🔹 How Cuba, Lumumba, and the global African movement connect through shared struggle and solidarity.
🔹 The hosts draw parallels between Black revolutionaries and Latin freedom movements.

4. Polygamy, Law & the Black Male Narrative
🔹 Exploring the hypocrisy of a “Christian nation” that criminalizes biblical practice.
🔹 Why figures like Diddy, Metro Boomin, Ne-Yo, MLK, and Elijah Muhammad face similar accusations.
🔹 The historical roots of anti-polygamy laws — tracing back to control during slavery.
🔹 A raw conversation about freedom, morality, and double standards in relationships and law.

5. The Art of Listening & Diplomacy in Hip-Hop
🔹 Lessons from Chris Gotti’s reflections on Irv Gotti’s health, business, and missed diplomacy.
🔹 Why listening means “lessening yourself to learn.”
🔹 How humility and wisdom from within the community are key to growth.
🔹 Saqar and Den Tut close by affirming their roles as cultural diplomats — pushing unity through conversation.

This isn’t just a podcast — it’s a movement in thought.
From hip-hop’s street corner debates to Africa’s liberation struggles, The Debatable Podcast connects the dots between bars, history, and consciousness.

🎤 Highlights & Key Discussions🌍 The Takeaway

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Welcome to The Debatable — powered by MC WAR, the official sport of rap battling.
Hosted by Saqar (Ahhah Ahershu) and Den Tut Rayay, this episode breaks down the essence of hip-hop competition: bars over beef, culture over conflict.

In this episode, we explore hypothetical matchups between some of New York’s most respected artists — not to promote drama, but to honor the art of lyrical combat that built hip-hop from the ground up.

• Would either rapper actually step into a battle ring?

• Streaming stats show Jim Jones (~952K monthly listeners) dominating Tony Yayo (~279K) — but does that mean he’d win bar-for-bar?

• We break down legacy, influence, and impact — from Max B, Stack Bundles, and Chinx to Yayo’s role in G-Unitand his ability to keep crowds engaged.

• Tony Yayo’s Case: Street energy, raw delivery, active touring, unpredictable charisma.

• Memph Bleek’s Case: Lyrical pedigree, Roc-A-Fella roots, battle readiness, and mentorship under Beanie Sigel — one of hip-hop’s most respected lyricists.

• Verdict: Speaker 1 rides with Yayo 🔥 / Speaker 2 goes with Bleek 🗽

We also compare monthly listeners:

• Cam’ron — 2.2M

• Lloyd Banks — 2.7M

• Shaheim — 220K
  → Lloyd Banks proves consistency still wins — without the interviews, antics, or social media hype.

At MC WAR, lyrical skill reigns supreme.

• “No personals. No beef. Just bars.”

• Classic matchups like Keith Murray vs Fredro Starr and Vado vs Saigon showed the right way to compete: skill over slander.

• Freestyles may start spontaneous, but real masters prepare — proving battle rap is both sport and strategy.

🎧 Watch. Comment. Debate.
Let’s bring competition back to the culture — one lyrical matchup at a time.

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🎯 Main Debate: Jim Jones vs Tony Yayo — Could It Ever Happen?💥 Bonus Matchup: Memph Bleek vs Tony Yayo (The Real “Debatable” Battle)📊 Streaming Numbers Don’t Lie🧠 Philosophy of Rap Battles (The MC WAR Way)⚡ Join the Movement

From rhyme complexity to artificial intelligence, The Debatable Podcast dives into how technology is reshaping the sound and soul of Hip Hop. 🎤💻

Hosts Saqar Ahhah Ahershu and Den Tut Rayay break down a Cornell University study that proves rap lyrics are getting smarter — while debating whether AI-generated artists like those backed by Timbaland and Suno are the future or the downfall of the culture.

Later, they touch on Trump’s new cashless bail laws, Remy Ma & Papoose’s financial feud, and the deeper question: Is hip hop evolving… or being engineered?

🎙️ Tap in for smart debates, real talk, and the pulse of Hip Hop’s business, art, and politics.

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This episode of The Debatable Podcast asks one of the culture’s biggest questions:
Is Hollow Da Don better than Loaded Lux?

We break down their creative differences, rhyme structures, and battle legacies — from Hollow vs. Chef Trez to Lux’s intricate wordplay.
Plus, we tap into Chilla Jones vs Lady 380, Reverse Live vs Mike G, and the evolving art of battle rap versus spoken-word poetry.
The convo expands to Young Thug’s anti-gang message, Math Hoffa & Goodz squashing beef, and what “street diplomacy” means in Hip Hop today.

🎙 Hosts: Saqar Ahhah Ahershu & Den Tut Rayay
💬 Drop a comment — Who’s really the GOAT?
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In this episode of Debatable, we dive deep into battle rap, culture, and the hidden stories shaping hip-hop today.

• Marv Won vs Arsonal Recap – Breaking down one of the newest drops from Takeover Battle League. Who really walked away with the W?

• Stanford & the Origins of Gangs – Did early criminology studies actually give gangs legitimacy? We explore the controversial history.

• Young Thug & YFN Lucci Squash Beef – What it means for Atlanta, the culture, and the next generation when long-standing rivals make peace.

• Hip-Hop, Language & Power – How words, labels, and narratives influence our communities more than we realize.

Tune in for heated takes, hidden gems, and the debates only Debatable can deliver.

The culture is always moving, and the Debatable Podcast is here to talk about it. In this episode, we cover everything from battle rap stats to billion-dollar business moves:

🔥 Battle Rap Breakdown – Should Sirius Jones and Head Ice finally run back their classic after 10 years? We dive into their view counts, legacies, and why the fans deserve a topic-based rematch.

🏆 New League Energy – From Easy the Block Captain vs Twork to Chrome 23’s 5v5 event, the scene is exploding with new leagues and talent. Is this growth or oversaturation?

🎲 Nino Breeze Incident – Rick Ross’s artist gets caught up in a gambling game gone wrong in Texas. What really happened?

🎶 Kanye West & Gospel Rap – Did Kanye singlehandedly shift the mainstream sound and open the door for Gospel Rap’s resurgence?

💰 Nas the Mogul – While the rap world debates bars, Nas just locked in a $5.5 billion casino deal in Queens. We break down why his quiet investment strategy might outshine Jay-Z’s moves.

👑 Youth, Crime & Opportunity – From “smash-and-grab” robberies to the inspiring story of Hanif L. Johnson becoming the youngest judge in PA, we ask: what opportunities is hip hop creating for the next generation?

The Debatable Podcast is for the fans, the battlers, and the culture. Lock in with us and let us know your thoughts:
👉 Should Jones vs Ice run it back?
👉 Is Kanye really the father of Gospel Rap in hip hop?
👉 Did Nas just solidify his spot as rap’s #1 businessman?

💬 Drop your thoughts, share this episode, and keep the debate alive.

YO WHAT'S GOOD CULTURE! We're breaking down ALL the smoke from the battle rap scene and the streets are TALKING! 🔥

Murder Mook just BODIED Hitman Holla 3-0 and we got the FULL breakdown with stats that'll blow your mind - Mook sitting at 23M total views while Holla got 93M but still caught that L! We're diving deep into why Mook is still the GOAT and what this means for the culture.

But hold up... things get REAL when we talk about J Electronica's new joint featuring the Nation of Islam logo and these WILD allegations about cocaine being handed out to new members in Newark. Is this Cointelpro trying to destroy black organizations or is there truth to these claims? We're connecting dots from Dr. Malachi York to Puffy's case - the blueprint is REAL!

PLUS we're covering:

• Arsonal vs Real Deal legendary battle breakdown
• Why Ghostface's son's diss track missed the mark
• Jimmy Kimmel boycotts and free speech under attack
• Project 2025 giving police "judge, jury, executioner" powers?!
• The "Drop My Flag Challenge" movement
• Why drill music is DYING and Afrobeats is taking over

The hosts are drawing scary parallels to Rwanda and Gaza - are we heading toward something darker in America? With recent lynchings in Mississippi and targeting of immigrants, they're saying the writing's on the wall.

Is this conspiracy or reality? Are they really trying to eliminate our influence? Drop your thoughts below - y'all know we read EVERY comment!

Stay safe out there family... things are getting real.

#BattleRap #HipHop #NationOfIslam #Project2025 #MurderMook #RealTalk

In this episode of Debatable, we dive deep into one of the biggest battles to hit the stage: Murder Mook vs. Hitman Holla at Takeover Battle League Texas.

🔑 What We Cover:

• Mook vs. Hitman Breakdown → Why Mook won all three rounds and how he flipped Hitman’s signature “rewind” move before Holla could even use it.

• Is Mook Undefeated? → We ask if Mook has ever clearly lost a battle and debate where he stands in the all-time MC rankings. Top 50? Top 100? Or strictly a battle rap legend?

• Ranking MCs → What truly makes a great MC—lyrics, sales, mixtapes, or cultural impact? We weigh in.

• Harlem Hip-Hop Beefs → From Dame Dash vs. Cam’ron to Loaded Lux vs. Twork, we break down the drama shaking Harlem and beyond.

• Dame Dash Under Fire → Why Dame’s pattern of conflicts with Jay-Z, Jim Jones, Cam’ron (and now even investors) might be holding him back.

🔥 Whether you live for the bars, the business, or the beef, this episode has it all.

💬 Tap in and let us know:

• Did Mook really sweep Hitman?

• Where does Mook rank as an MC overall?

• Is Dame Dash hurting his own legacy?

👉 Follow Debatable for weekly breakdowns of battle rap, hip-hop culture, and the politics of the game.

In this episode of the Debatable Podcast, we dive into the latest battle rap news, music releases, and thought-provoking discussions:

🔥 Charlie Clips vs. Dre Dennis just dropped on Gates of the Garden—we analyze the battle, breaking down key moments and discussing how it stacks up against their best performances.

🎶 We shift to music, celebrating the release of Kendrick Lamar's new album, a powerful and thought-provoking project that brings fresh energy to the industry.

🎭 A wild comparison: Woody Allen vs. Diddy—we debate their impacts, controversies, and legacies across their respective industries.

🌫️ Is the Manchurian Candidate more than fiction? We discuss the potential effects of chem trails and nanotechnology, raising questions about the hidden forces that may shape our world.

⚖️ Lastly, we tackle the Department of Justice vs. Trenton Police Department, where allegations of civil rights violations have sparked a heated debate about accountability and justice.

This episode blends battle rap, music, conspiracies, and real-world issues for a conversation you don’t want to miss!

📢 Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe to join the debate and stay updated on the latest in battle rap, hip-hop culture, and beyond.

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