<p>It was left to Kamala Harris to do what Biden couldn’t do. Nor could Rubio, Desantis, Bush and all the others. Neither could the media and all the advertising, all the talking heads on cable TV. After eight years of Trump’s TV show, Harris pushed all the buttons, laid the traps and got the result she needed, showing the country she can be president. I break it down with political operative and comms consultant Alex MacLean. She has been in the room as a policy director, campaign manager and senior advisor to a host of politicians including former Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin.</p>

It was left to Kamala Harris to do what Biden couldn’t do. Nor could Rubio, Desantis, Bush and all the others. Neither could the media and all the advertising, all the talking heads on cable TV. After eight years of Trump’s TV show, Harris pushed all the buttons, laid the traps and got the result she needed, showing the country she can be president. I break it down with political operative and comms consultant Alex MacLean. She has been in the room as a policy director, campaign manager and senior advisor to a host of politicians including former Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin.

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Conflict of Interest is a podcast about the world, through a discerning lens of journalism, politics and above all Vermont. Kevin Ellis goes against the grain of today’s politics and celebrity culture to talk about the massive change all around us and how the world actually works. You will hear from Kevin’s Vermont neighbors AND national voices on difficult issues. Vermont is becoming, or always has been, a place, a real place. We are not interested in the Vermont of the tourist guides. We are not going to talk to Ben and Jerry’s ice cream. We will talk to them about what it is like to sell the company and do something new - and the frustrations, fear and uncertainty that comes with changing your life. Part interview, part history lesson about stuff you won’t see or hear on CNN or NPR.

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Conflict of Interest is a podcast about the world, through a discerning lens of journalism, politics and above all Vermont. Kevin Ellis goes against the grain of today’s politics and celebrity culture to talk about the massive change all around us and how the world actually works. You will hear from Kevin’s Vermont neighbors AND national voices on difficult issues. Vermont is becoming, or always has been, a place, a real place. We are not interested in the Vermont of the tourist guides. We are not going to talk to Ben and Jerry’s ice cream. We will talk to them about what it is like to sell the company and do something new - and the frustrations, fear and uncertainty that comes with changing your life. Part interview, part history lesson about stuff you won’t see or hear on CNN or NPR.

Conflict of Interest is a&nbsp;podcast about the world, through a discerning lens of journalism, politics and above all Vermont. Kevin Ellis goes against the grain of today’s politics and celebrity culture to talk about the massive change all around us and how the world actually works. You will hear from Kevin’s Vermont neighbors AND national voices on difficult issues. Vermont is becoming, or always has been, a place, a real place. We are not interested in the Vermont of the tourist guides. We are not going to talk to Ben and Jerry’s ice cream. We will talk to them about what it is like to sell the company and do something new - and the frustrations, fear and uncertainty that comes with changing your life. Part interview, part history lesson about stuff you won’t see or hear on CNN or NPR.

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