"And to be completely frank, it's not about my vision! It maybe starts out with that... but then the train comes along and we all get on it!"

Listen to Ryan's conversation with his friend and conducting mentor Dr. Deborah Simpkin King as they talk about vocation, choir as democracy in action, creative choral programming, and the power of singing together! 

To learn more about what you heard, use the links below:

• Deborah Simpkin King: deborahsking.com
• Schola Cantorum on Hudson: scholaonhudson.org
• Project:Encore: projectencore.org
• Andrea Clearfield: andreaclearfield.com