There always seems to be debris ahead on the road of ministry, but this time we take it literally as Colin phones in driving to make a pastoral visit in Maine. In this exciting episode Heidi Kim, staff officer for the Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church Michael Curry, joins us to discuss the Becoming Beloved Community racial reconciliation initiative from the General Convention and Presiding Bishop's staff. Bishop Robert Hirschfeld of the Diocese of New Hampshire joins us again to discuss his new book Without Shame or Fear: from Adam to Christ from Church Publishing.