Today’s episode is a deep dive with tech marketing expert Sarah Brown. Sarah is a startup mentor, ecosystem builder, and the author of Lead Upwards.

She and Matt discuss creative career paths—Sarah considered “The Non-Linear Path” as an alternate title for her book—and the unique opportunities startups present. They also share their thoughts on the contrast between startups and large companies, from office politics to overall function.

Tune in to hear about mentorship, team hierarchy, and Sarah’s take on quitting as an executive.