In this first-ever episode of Defence Dialogue, Niklas Nováky discusses the future of European defence with European Commission Vice-President for Jobs, Growth, Investment and Competitiveness Jyrki Katainen. Vice-President Katainen has spoken actively in favour of increasing security and defence cooperation in the EU. The discussion ranges from the reason behind Vice-President Katainen’s strong personal interest in European defence to his thoughts on what the possible creation of a European Security and Defence Union would mean in practice for the safety and security of European citizens.