Host, Elisabeth Braw, speaks with Rear Admiral (ret.) Mark Montgomery, executive director of the US Cyberspace Solarium Commission, about the difficulties Western governments face in deterring Chinese and Russian aggression in the gray-zone, particularly economic coercion and cyber-attacks.

Defending against Gray-zone: Mark Montgomery on how we deter coercion and cyber-attacks

Elisabeth Braw, scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, presents 'On the Cusp' which focuses on how governments, business and civil society can work together to strengthen countries' defence against existing and emerging threats. Each episode she interviews a guest who is a leader in their respective field.

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Defending against Gray-zone: Mark Montgomery on how we deter coercion and cyber-attacks

Defending against Gray-zone: Mark Montgomery on how we deter coercion and cyber-attacks