Join Joe and Pat as they dig into navigating through their experiences of both happiness and unhappiness. They chat through how they approach happiness and delve into their personal strategies for coping with unhappiness. They discuss the impact of external factors like the digital world on their mental health, and explore the intrinsic and extrinsic motivations behind their actions. Through their conversation, they highlight the importance of finding meaning in life's pursuits and the challenges of balancing the digital influence with personal growth and contentment.

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