Listener Brian Pass asked us to continue our conversation about defining success from the standpoint of the Smart Roommates' areas of academic expertise. How did the Ancient Greeks define success? What makes poems and poets successful from the standpoint of those who write and study poetry? How do biologists working on massive conservation programs measure success? Dan Caner, Dave Powelstock and Mace Hack dive into a conversation that takes us from Agamemnon to algae.

Discussed in this episode: Jared Diamond, Collapse; Jared Diamond, Guns, Germs, and Steel; Homer, The Iliad; Herodotus, Histories; Plato, Republic; Matthew Zapruder, Why Poetry.

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