Hosts Victor and Leo sit down with Dan Pacholke, the Founder of the Sustainability in Prisons Project, former Secretary for the Washington State Department of Corrections, and former Superintendent of the Cedar Creek Corrections Center. Dan served as a co-director of Segregation Solutions and co-author of Keeping Prisons Safe: Transforming the Correctional Workplace.

The author of multiple written works on transforming corrections policies and segregation reform, and host of a 2014 Ted Talk on how prisons can shift to improving the lives of incarcerated individuals, Dan joins the DTOPS team to discuss how he defies the odds of prison reformation in his every day work.