In this episode Leo interviews his co-host, Victor. Victor reflects on his life - including his childhood in California, his formative teenage years in Washington, and his experience serving a ten year prison sentence.

Victor Sauceda is a software engineer, entrepreneur, and social advocate dedicated to empowering justice-impacted individuals. A formerly incarcerated individual, Victor defied the odds by transforming his life through education, mentorship, and relentless perseverance. Now, as the co-founder of Victory Code, he helps others break into the tech industry, creating opportunities for those who have faced the same struggles.