In this conversation, the hosts and guest John Mulrow delve into the concept of degrowth, exploring its implications for sustainability and social justice. They discuss the misconceptions surrounding degrowth, emphasizing that it is not about reducing everything or advocating for recession, but rather about intentionally downscaling the economy to achieve ecological and social justice goals.

The conversation also touches on the importance of community engagement, corporate responsibility, and the need for a shift in mindset regarding economic growth. In this conversation, John Mulrow discusses the concept of degrowth, emphasizing the need for international cooperation, alternative economic metrics, and community engagement. He highlights the importance of creating brave spaces for dialogue, acknowledging limits to growth, and the role of education in fostering a degrowth movement. The discussion also touches on the privilege associated with the degrowth conversation and the necessity of building community connections to promote sustainability.