Join us for this highly engaging episode in which Dr. Ben Sanders, Chief Equity Officer for the City and County of Denver, joins Josh, Jamelle and Jaime to discuss all things DEI (Diversity, Equity and Inclusion). As America faces yet another inflection point and potential pendulum swing in the ongoing work of racial, social, gender, economic, and religious equity (and many others), we dive into important reflections about suffering, managing polarities, the importance of depth over performative superficiality, God, and even throw in some whiskey talk with one of our favorite local distilleries - Laws! Somehow, we seem to do it all and hope you join us for this podcast.