In this special episode of Dimensions of Diversity, host Lloyd Freeman welcomes back Dr. Oscar Holmes IV, Associate Professor of Management at Rutgers University in Camden, NJ, and Stacy Hawkins, Professor at Rutgers Law School.

Their conversation explores the debate around diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) versus the concept of meritocracy in the workplace and society. Dr. Holmes and Professor Hawkins discuss the origins and purpose of DEI work, the subjective and shifting nature of meritocracy, and how the argument against DEI is often used as a "dog whistle" to marginalize underrepresented groups.

Dimensions of Diversity is a podcast created by Buchanan Ingersoll & Rooney, highlighting diversity in the workplace. Hosted by Lloyd Freeman, Chief Diversity & Inclusion Officer, the podcast features meaningful conversations with industry and community leaders working to advance D&I.