The Nation's Joshua Holland joins us to talk about why Democrats shouldn't hedge their bets and propose moderate policies in the hopes of avoiding scandal. The Republicans are going to demonize us no matter what we propose, Josh argues, so we might as well go for the moon. In today's interview, we talk to Josh about health care, climate change, tax cuts, Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, socialism, GOP disinformation, Mitch McConnell and the filibuster, North Korea, and why liberal funders refuse to fund the left-wing noise machine.

This is a 21-minute excerpt of the longer hour-and-36-minute show. You can hear the rest, and support the UnPresidented podcast, over at Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/posts/24976760

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