Behind many great bands are mastermind managers and PR teams working the magic behind the scenes. The Beatles had Brian Epstein. The Strokes had the Wiz Kid extraordinaire Ryan Gentles. But managers and publicists are not only useful for legacy artists; they can also be extraordinarily helpful for smaller musicians who aim to grow their audience and output. My guest today is Kenzie Davis, who is a publicist at Big Hassle Media. Kenzie and I discuss the pros and cons of managing big and small bands, the skills Kenzie’s picked up as she’s moved up the ladder, and our shared obsession with Ethel Cain.

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