As President Bolsonaro becomes the latest Brazilian to test positive for the virus, Euan Marshall joins Theodora Louloudis from São Paulo to discuss why he's taking an unproven treatment for the virus, his aversion to lockdown restrictions and why the crisis hasn't dealt a crushing blow to his popularity.

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