This week we're bringing you two more interviews from Denver Pop Culture Con 2019. We start out with Gail Carriger (https://gailcarriger.com) and Steven T. Seagle (http://manofaction.tv/profiles/steven-t-seagle/).

Thank you to Pop Culture Classroom for bringing us back for another year to help them cover the con. Learn more about them at https://popculturecon.org.

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