In this episode of the DePINed Podcast, host Tom Trowbridge, co-founder & CEO of Fluence, sits down with Marcus Hearne, founder & CEO of Ubitel.Marcus is building Ubitel — a DePIN-powered connectivity platform that uses Trusted Execution Environments (TEE) in mobile phones to create secure, anti-sybil infrastructure for global internet access.In this conversation, we explore how phone-level TEE can become a trust layer for DePIN networks, why consumer devices may be better suited for secure attestations than traditional server hardware and how Ubitel is approaching eSIM as a go-to-market strategy while building toward a broader decentralized infrastructure vision.Topics covered include:

– Using phone TEE for anti-sybil security and real-world attestations

– Why consumer devices can unlock new DePIN trust models

– eSIM as an entry point to decentralized connectivity

– Stablecoin payments, points systems, and token design considerations

– Scaling DePIN networks through real usage, not speculation🎧 Listen and watch the episode on YouTube, Spotify and Apple Podcasts — and follow DePIN Space for more materials with founders building real-world decentralized infrastructure.