Jessica and Chad discuss the lack of elegance in their friendship, have a brief Creativity Check In, and then converse openly about seasonal depression; including the importance of tiny steps, reaching out, listening, and sending snacks.

Jessica mentions Psychology Today's wonderful Find A Therapist tool. Here's the link: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists

Jessica sings a brief, but delightful, song about the pitfalls of measuring self worth via the constraints and pressures of late era Capitalism. Her main influence for that song is The Nap Ministry. Here's a link to their Instagram page: https://instagram.com/thenapministry?igshid=7swzo5gfus2e

Chad thinks Jessica's song may also have been influenced by Public Enemy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj9SeMZE_Yw

As always, Jessica and Chad can be reached at [email protected]