Des McNulty, Chair of the Local Policy Strategy Innovation Hub at University of Birmingham and former member of Scottish parliament, talks to John Goddard about a range of subjects including:

• How civic universities work with policy partners. 
• How devolution could build stronger partnerships between universities and their regions.
• Learning from Scotland, and the interface between academics and government. 
• Reflections on international examples of civic-related work.
• The capacity of central government in creating a civically engaged higher education sector.
• What levers could be put in the system to better enable civic university activity?

This is the fourth in our series of six conversations between Prof John Goddard OBE and insightful voices from the HE sector, giving their perspectives on the challenges and opportunities for the civic university movement. 

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