In this episode, Andrew and Mike continue through The Dark Night of the Soul (Book Two, Chapters 16–18). They reflect on John’s “secret, secure ladder” and what it means to be led where sight can’t go, when memory fades, senses are stilled, and understanding grows quiet. Through scripture and lived experience, they explore unknowing as a path of love, learning to trust God’s hidden guidance more than effort, explanation, or control. 

 Book II chapters 16-18 

00:00 Introduction to The Dark Night Podcast

02:14 The Essence of Spiritual Progress

07:17 Exploring the Poem: Dark Night of the Soul

16:56 The Concept of Beginner's Mind

22:31 The Universal Path of Emptiness and Fulfillment

33:48 The Descent and Dark Night of the Soul

41:14 Theological Constructs and Free Floating Journeys

58:36 The Role of Love and Community in the Dark Night

01:03:34 Final Thoughts 

Related Links

Dark Night Project: www.darknightlive.com

Nemr Institute: www.nemrinstitute.com