With a diverse career from full-stack dev to design system product owner working for large and small organisations and spell as a freelancer, Dan has straddled the worlds of design and development for most of his working life. Design systems have been a way of bringing these experiences together along with running teams, communication and collaboration.

In this episode we talk about what a Design System is and how it adds value to a website - not just during the build but as the site grows and scales over time. I ask Dan about who should own and lead on the design system and we talk about some of the challenges around building and implementing a design system.

Follow Andrew on Twitter at https://twitter.com/aarmitage or connect on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewarmitage.

Find Dan on Twitter at https://twitter.com/hereinthehive or on the Zero Height blog.

Other links from this episode include:

• Dan Mall - Design Systems Coach 
• Jhey Tompkins, Web Developer at Google 
• Converge - The Design Systems Conference 
• W3C Design Tokens Community Group 
• Figma 
• Figma Design Tokens Plugin