Very excited to have on the show James Z. B. Vanié, Shane Strassberg, and Hector Fabian Nandez, veterans from the U.S. military who decided to pursue careers in design after their service. The topic of military service is incredibly loaded as most of us liberal-leaning folx advocate for demilitarization and are contributors to the stigma against individuals who've served, when we should be addressing larger systems of colonization and capitalism. During this talk we'll hear about what these vets learned during their deployment and how they've translated that into insights about humanity and behavioral change.