The Educational Renaissance Podcast

Desirable Difficulties


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Welcome to the Educational Renaissance podcast, where we promote a rebirth of ancient wisdom for the modern era. We seek to inspire educators by fusing the best of modern research with the insights of the great philosophers of education. Join us in the great conversation and share with a friend or colleague to keep the renaissance spreading.

In this week's episode Patrick Egan is joined by Jason Barney and Kolby Atchison to dive into the concept of desirable difficulties. Modern research has shown that an optimal learning environment presents students with an appropriate level of challenge. Gain insights from recent work from evidence-based performance psychology that is well-informed by practices from the classical era.

Take a deeper dive into training resources produced by Educational Renaissance. Read the recently published A Short History of Narration on our Educational Renaissance Books page.

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