Let's be clear: I am an AI skeptic. I run into so much of AI as a teacher it's not even funny. Not just from students but in workshops, newsletters, and nearly every tools I use whether it is Photoshop, Canva, YouTube, Descript, or Capcut.

The shenanigans by Meta, Anthropic, and OpenAI, however, worry me. In this podcast I take up some of these contentious issues. But my guest, Tyron Devotta, a former journalist and still a prolific writer isn't fazed by this. His novel will be out shortly--and since he uses AI extensively as an 'editorial assistant'--I pick his brains on how he uses it.

I also use excerpts from two podcasts, and one book:

• ⁠On the Media with Brooke Gladstone⁠
• ⁠The Ezra Klein Podcast⁠
• The book: Jonathan Haidt's ⁠Anxious Generation