While at Øredev in Malmö, Sweden, Carl and Richard talk to Jen Meyers about developers being able to design. The conversation starts out talking about different UI designs in tablets and phones, including iOS7. Jen digs into the idea that design is just not that difficult - developers need to learn some things to work with designers or to implement any designs at all. And there's plenty for designers to learn too! UX design is its own unique science, and everyone involved has to learn to be effective.