For this episode we recorded an interview with Joshua Kerievsky. Joshua is an early pioneer and expert in eXtreme Programming, an author and regular speaker and founder and CEO of Industrial Logic. We talk about patterns, refactoring, e-learning and some of the principles of Lean Startup.

You can follow him in twitter via @joshuakerievsky.

The interview was recorded at Igluu in Eindhoven.
Interview by @freekl and @Mmz_
Audio post-production by @mendelt