MC Podcasts – Mountain Cloud Zen Center

Dharma Talk: Love and Loss in a Seamless World with Valerie Forstman


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This talk is offered in gratitude for the life of Johanna Sindelar, a long-time sangha member who dedicated over a decade of service to Mountain Cloud. As a tribute to Johanna, Valerie begins with a look at the Heart Sutra in a rendering by Thich Nhat Hahn that was set to music in harmonies Johanna loved. The talk then turns to case 18 in the Blue Cliff Record, a koan that asks a renowned national teacher, “What shall I do to honor you after you die?” In response, the master implores each of us to realize who we truly are. “Make a seamless tomb for this old monk.”

The koan offers a turning word about love and loss, and about the seamlessness at hand that cannot be divided.

Recorded on February 20th, 2025

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